On Adoration and Worship in Spirit and Truth, Book 6 · §23

Draco Lycurgus; laws and pedagogy void if Fate

and Draco and Lycurgus, as introducers of all-beautiful lessons, and as having invented the best laws for the Greeks. For what benefit from this anymore, if nothing is upon us, yet rather our things have been hung upon others? And somehow equal and similar hereafter, to those knowing the laws, also the one having been ignorant of them, if it does not belong to those willing to do freely whatever they should perhaps choose; yet I say the guides of the laws have become most unjust, although having chosen upon themselves as much glory of justice as possible. For they have legislated—I do not know how—that the careless must be punished, and pay bitter justices of the transgression, and they have handed over as it were canons to the young and most praiseworthy manners of pedagogy, either as being upon us ourselves to choose to live through solemnly, or I do not know what having thought. And someone would say, I think: Well, O Solon, you were legislating for those then; yet it was somehow altogether necessary to persuade Fate besides to grant to those being legislated whatever they should wish to think and do. Yet you legislated not having persuaded; and you yourself were somehow perhaps also laughing at the myth, and you understood us lords of the things to be done, and you were scaring away the unjust and blind Fortune of human affairs; for would you not have thought it necessary to suppose the best citizen to be the pious and law-guarding one, and to have hung upon himself the glory of fairness unto the peak, yet again useless and numbered among the most shameful, the one saying farewell to the laws that will counsel darting unto uprightness?

Palladius: Most urbane and very well you have spoken.

Cyril: And what, O friend? Will we not say that the pedagogies and the counsels, and indeed also the challenges unto virtue, as many as fathers would make upon sons, and teachers upon companions, are empty, if it is necessary to descend the path not according to judgment, and to go a life’s track that is sometimes involuntary?

Palladius: And very much.

Cyril: And if indeed also upon one’s own children, or then upon some others having stumbled, someone should urge and make the rebuke straight, would you yourself praise such a one, or will you reckon him unjust, having chosen somehow to leave unrebuked those causes of all evils for us, yet to subject to the justices those led unto these things involuntarily and from necessity?

Palladius: It seems so. For the word has much persuasiveness.

Cyril: And that such a glory for them is full of the last impiety, you will know also from here: for shaking down as it were some steersman and overseer of this all—God—from the glory present to him, and going hereafter unto such boldness as to alienate him altogether from his own boasts, they themselves by their own votes distribute the power of the things according to us to whatever simply comes unto mind; although seeing the whole creation being carried not by unsupervised movements unto the

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Δράκοντά τε καὶ Λυκοῦργον, ὡς παγκάλων μαθημάτων εἰσηγητὰς, καὶ νόμους τοῖς Ἕλλησι τοὺς ἀρίστους ἐξευρηκότας. Ποία γὰρ ἐκ τοῦδε λοιπὸν ἡ ὄνησις, εἰ μηδὲν ἐφ' ἡμῖν, ἀνῆπται δὲ μᾶλλον τὰ ἡμῶν ἑτέροις; ἐν ἴσῳ δέ που καὶ ἐν ὁμοίῳ λοιπὸν, τοῖς τοὺς νόμους εἰδόσι, καὶ ὁ τούτους ἠγνοηκὼς, εἰ μὴ μέτεστι δρᾷν τοῖς ἐθέλουσιν ἐλευθέρως, ἃ ἂν ἕλοιντο τυχὸν, ἀδικωτάτους δὲ λίαν τοὺς τῶν νόμων ὑφηγητὰς γενέσθαι φημὶ, καί τοι πλείστην ὅσην δόξαν δικαιοσύνης ἐφ' ἑαυτοῖς ᾑρημένους. Χρῆναι γὰρ δὴ νενομοθετήκασιν, οὐκ οἶδ' ὅπως, τοὺς ῥᾳθυμοῦντας κολάζεσθαι, καὶ πικρὰς τῆς παραβάσεως ἀποτιννύναι δίκας, κανόνας δὲ ὥσπερ τοῖς νέοις καὶ παιδαγωγίας τρόπους ἀξιεπαινετωτάτους παραδεδώκασιν, ἢ ὡς ὂν ἐφ' ἡμῖν αὐτοῖς, τὸ διαβιοῦν ἑλέσθαι σεμνῶς, ἢ οὐκ οἶδ' ὅ τι πεφρονηκότες. Φαίη δ' ἂν, οἶμαι, τίς· Εὖγε, ὦ Σόλων, ἐνομοθέτεις τοῖς τότε· ἀλλ' ἔδει που πάντως προσαναπείθειν τὴν Εἱμαρμένην ἐφεῖναι τοῖς νομοθετουμένοις ἃ ἂν βούλοιντο φρονεῖν τε καὶ δρᾷν. Ἐνομοθέτεις δὲ οὐ πεπεικώς· ἐγέλας δέ που τάχα καὶ αὐτὸς τὸν μῦθον, καὶ κυρίους ἠπίστασο τῶν πρακτέων ἡμᾶς, τήν τε ἄδικον καὶ τυφλὴν τῶν ἀνθρωπίνων πραγμάτων ἀπεσόβεις Τύχην· ἢ γὰρ οὐκ ἂν ᾤου δεῖν, ἄριστον μὲν εἶναι πολίτην ὑπονοεῖν, τὸν εὐσεβῆ τε καὶ νομοφύλακα, καὶ τῆς εἰς ἄκρον ἐπιεικείας ἀνῆρθαι τὴν δόξαν, ἀχρεῖον δὲ αὖ καὶ τοῖς αἰσχίστοις ἐναριθμούμενον, τὸν ἐῤῥῶσθαι φράζοντα τοῖς εἰς ὀρθότητα συμβουλεύσουσι διᾴττειν νόμοις;

{ΠΑΛΛ.} Ἀστειότατά τε καὶ σφόδρα καλῶς ἔφης.

{ΚΥΡ.} Τί δὲ, ὦ φιλότης; οὐχὶ τὰς παιδαγωγίας καὶ τὰς ὑποθήκας, καὶ μὴν καὶ προκλήσεις τὰς ἐπ' ἀρετὴν, ἅσπερ ἂν ποιοῖντο πατέρες μὲν ἐφ' υἱοῖς, διδάσκαλοι δὲ ὁμιληταῖς, εἰκαίας εἶναι φήσομεν, εἰ καταστείχειν ἀνάγκη τὴν οὐ κατὰ γνώμην ὁδὸν, καὶ βίου τρίβον ἰέναι τὴν ἀνεθέλητον ἔσθ' ὅτε;

{ΠΑΛΛ.} Καὶ μάλα.

{ΚΥΡ.} Εἰ δὲ δὴ καὶ παισὶν ἰδίοις, ἤγουν ἑτέροις τισὶ πεπλημμεληκόσιν ἐποτρύνοιτό τις καὶ ὀρθὴν ποιεῖται τὴν ἐπίπληξιν, ἐπαινέσαις ἂν τὸν τοιοῦτον αὐτὸς, ἢ ἄδικον λογιῇ, τοὺς μὲν ἁπάντων ἡμῖν τῶν κακῶν αἰτίους ἀνεπιτιμήτους ἐᾷν οὐκ οἶδ' ὅπως ᾑρημένους, τούς γε μὴν, ἀνεθελήτως τε καὶ ἐξ ἀνάγκης ἐπὶ ταῦτα ἠγμένους ὑποφέρειν ταῖς δίκαις;

{ΠΑΛΛ.} Ἔοικε. Πολὺ γὰρ ἔχει τὸ πιθανὸν ὁ λόγος.

{ΚΥΡ.} Ἔμπλεως δὲ ὅτι δυσσεβείας αὐτοῖς τῆς ἐσχάτης ἡ τοιάδε δόξα, κἀντεῦθεν εἴσῃ τοι· τὸν γὰρ τοῦδε τοῦ παντὸς οἰακοστρόφον ὥσπερ τινὰ καὶ ἐπιστάτην Θεὸν, τῆς ἐνούσης αὐτῷ κατασείοντες δόξης, καὶ εἰς τοῦτο λοιπὸν ἰόντες θράσους, ὡς τῶν ἰδίων εἰσάπαν ἀλλοτριοῦν αὐχημάτων αὐτὸν, ψήφοις ἰδίαις αὐτοὶ τὸ τῶν καθ' ἡμᾶς ἀπονέμουσι κράτος, τοῖς εἰς νοῦν ἥκουσιν ἁπλῶς· καί τοι τὴν κτίσιν ἅπασαν οὐκ ἀνεπιστατήτοις κινήμασι φερομένην ὁρῶντες εἰς τὰ

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Cyril continues the dialogue with Palladius. Book 6 of a seventeen-book dialogue — not the whole work.

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