Dialogue 4 opening: That the Son is neither creature nor made thing
Dialogue 4 — That the Son is neither creature nor made thing.
A opens against those who class the Son with things made. “Firstborn of creation” and similar phrases are not allowed to mean he is one creature among creatures; begotten is not made.
Hermias is led to see that craft and begetting are not the same relation.
Greek
ΛΟΓΟΣ ΤΕΤΑΡΤΟΣ Ὅτι οὐ κτίσμα ὁ Υἱὸς οὐδὲ ποίημα. {Α.} Τὸν δὴ Θεὸν ἐκ Θεοῦ κατὰ τὴν ἄρρητον πεφηνότα γέννησιν, ἆρ' ἔσθ' ὅπως οὐκ ἐν Υἱοῦ μὲν δόξῃ τοῦ κατὰ φύσιν τιθείς, γενητὸν δέ τις καὶ πεποιημένον εἰπών, οὐκ ἂν ὄφλοι δίκην ἣν τοῖς εἰωθόσι κατακερτομεῖν τὴν τοῦ Θεοῦ δόξαν ἐπηρτῆσθαί φαμεν, ψηφηφορούσης ὡδὶ τῆς θεοπνεύστου Γραφῆς· "Ἄνθρωπος, ὃς ἂν καταράσηται Θεὸν αὐτοῦ, ἁμαρτίαν λήψεται· ὀνομάζων δὲ τὸ ὄνομα Κυρίου θανάτῳ θανατούσθω, λίθοις λιθοβολησάτωσαν αὐτὸν πᾶσα ἡ συναγωγή· ἐάν τε προσήλυτος, ἐάν τε αὐτόχθων, ἐν τῷ ὀνομάσαι αὐτὸν τὸ ὄνομα Κυρίου τελευ τάτω;" {Β.} Οὐκ ἂν οἶμαι διαδράναι τὸ μὴ οὐχὶ πάντη τε καὶ πάντως ταῖς αὐτῷ πρεπούσαις ἁλῶναι δίκαις. {Α.} Ἄριστον οὖν, ὦ Ἑρμεία, τὸ μὴ ταῖς ἑτέρων ἀθυροστομίαις ἀναπτοεῖσθαι φιλεῖν, ἐπείτοι πρὸς νοῦν ἡμᾶς τὸν ἀδόκιμον ἀποφέρουσι, πίστεως δὲ κανόνα τὸν εὐθυτενῆ τε καὶ ἀδιάστροφον τοὺς τῶν θεηγόρων ποιεῖσθαι λόγους. Πρέποι γὰρ ἄν, οὐχ ἑτέροις μᾶλλον ἡμᾶς, ἢ ἐκείνοις αὐτοῖς ἐπικροτεῖν τε καὶ λέγειν· "Οὐχ ὑμεῖς ἐστε οἱ λαλοῦντες, ἀλλὰ τὸ Πνεῦμα τοῦ Πατρὸς ὑμῶν τὸ λαλοῦν ἐν ὑμῖν." {Β.} Ὀρθότατα ἔφης. {Α.} Οὐκοῦν, ἥκιστα μὲν γενητόν, ἤγουν τὴν εἰς τὸ ἐκτίσθαι λαχόντα πάροδον, προσκυνεῖν ἐγνώκασι τὸν μονογενῆ τοῦ Θεοῦ Λόγον, καρπὸν δὲ εἶναί φασι τῆς τοῦ τεκόντος οὐσίας σύνδρομόν τε καὶ συναΐδιον, καὶ Υἱὸν ὀνομάζουσι καὶ Θεὸν ἀληθινὸν καὶ ζωὴν αἰώνιον. Καὶ γοῦν ὁ θεῖος ἡμῖν μυστα γωγὸς Ἰωάννης· "Καὶ οἴδαμεν, φησίν, ὅτι ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ Θεοῦ ἥκει, καὶ ἔδωκεν ἡμῖν διάνοιαν, ἵνα γινώσκωμεν τὸν ἀληθινὸν Θεὸν καί ἐσμεν ἐν τῷ ἀληθινῷ, ἐν τῷ Υἱῷ αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦ Χριστῷ. Οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ ἀληθινὸς Θεὸς καὶ ζωὴ ἡ αἰώνιος." Ἀλλ' εἴπερ ἐστίν, ὦ 'γαθέ, καὶ Θεὸς ἀληθινὸς ὁ Υἱὸς καὶ ζωὴ αἰώνιος, διέδρα δὲ οὐχὶ τὸ εἶναι κτίσμα καὶ ποίημα, καίτοι τὴν οὕτως εὐκλεᾶ φύσιν ἀποτεμόμενος, 505 ἆρ' οὐχὶ καὶ αὐτὴν ἤδη πως καταλωβήσαιτ' ἂν τὴν τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ Πατρὸς οὐσίαν τὸ κατηγόρημα, παραποδίζοντος οὐδενός; {Β.} Τίνα τρόπον; {Α.} Οὐ γὰρ δὴ Θεὸς μὲν ἀληθινὸς κατωνόμασται καὶ αὐτός, ζωογονεῖ δὲ τὰ πάντα, ζωὴ κατὰ φύσιν ὑπάρχων; "Ζῶμεν γὰρ ἐν αὐτῷ καὶ κινούμεθα καί ἐσμεν," ὥς που καὶ σοφὸς ἔφη λόγος. {Β.} Ἀληθές. {Α.} Ἴτω δὴ οὖν καὶ ἐπ' αὐτὸν ἀτεχνῶς, τῆς δυσφημίας ὁ λόγος, καὶ διακεκλήσθω γενητός· τὸ ἀπεῖργον γάρ, οἶμαί που, καὶ ἐμποδὼν οὐδέν, τῆς ἀληθοῦς θεότητος παθούσης ἅπαξ ἐν Υἱῷ τὸ τελεῖν ἐν γενητοῖς, καὶ τῆς αἰωνίου ζωῆς οὐκ οἶδ' ὅπως ἐκμεμοχλευμένης τοῦ εἶναι ζωῆς, καὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις κτίσμασιν ἀναμὶξ καθάπερ ἐξ ἀνάγκης εἰσδεδεγμένης ἐκμεμετρημένην
About this text
Cyril of Alexandria, Dialogue 4 on the Holy and Consubstantial Trinity (Greek). Complete on this page: opening + rem CLOSEOUT.
English follows PG 75 Greek (CPG 5216). Durand SC French and modern English syncs were not used as wording. Dialogue 4 CLOSEOUT.
Witnesses
- Copy-text PG 75 — De sancta et consubstantiali Trinitate dialogi (Greek)
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